Disassembling Bond: Analysis of a Secret Agent

As a first news story on our soon to be ground-breaking news site, we give to you a point/counterpoint of sorts. Sure to be one of the most hotly debated issues of the Fall next to the War in Iraq, the new Bond film, Casino Royale, will hit U.S. theaters on November 17th. Here, our two leading correspondants, and credentialed film critics, Pat and Kyle discuss the latest action-packed trailer, and the implications of choosing a new Bond. So sit back and enjoy the bickering between the two.

Point of Reference: New Trailer

And now the debate...

p: the casino royale trailer looks fucking awesome

k: yea i know

it looks so clear too

man it was perfect

thats what i was most amazed by

and that chick is hot

yeah that was cool too but i am wondering if they are going to kill that girl off and use that to drive bond's vengence

probably

that would be so much darker than all the other bond movies

thats what they did in OHMSS

(On Her Majesty's Secret Service)

yeah but didn't that movie suck?

yeah i got what it was

it actually wasnt that bad

after i actually sat down and watched it

oh right... you liked it

his outfit was fucking stupid

yeah well something tells me that the movie was still i dunno fantastical

no more so than any other bond film

right exactly

just slightly on the fantastical side

thats what i mean

slightly... whatever.... they are way over the top

this one’s gonna be no different

did you see the plane part

and the part where they are jumping the scaffolding

and cranes

maaaaybbe? i don't remember

dude you know that street jumping stuff

yeah yeah but it seemed to have a much different feel than all the other ones

there was that nike commercial where they chased the chicken

do you know what i'm talking about

yeah

yea that guy that started that whole movement thing is one of the bad guys

so they do a huge scene with that

cool... that'll be pretty awesome

yea, so theres a clip in the trailer where bond jumps from one crane to another

i think it seems to me at least that this will be more bad ass whereas other bond movies have been more suave and debaunair or however you spell it

and i like it

the change that is

i still hope there is the suave and debonare side to it though

otherwise its just a mindless action movie

because the new bond is so un bond looking

sure but it can tone down the suave stuff and become something else

that in my opinion would be better

because i didn't really like all the sauve stuff

but then its not bond

that is part of what the bond character is

if you dont like that, then go watch a schwarzeneggar movie

every good franchise needs a change

the sauve stuff was getting old

not if it becomes something different

no one does that anymore

you cant say that xmen will no longer be about mutants

because then its not xmen anymore

no no no... not like a radical change

its not like you'd be calling bond .. fred or something

but taking away part of a distinct personality trait is radical

its like showing the backstory to wolverine

no its not

he was supposed to have no history

and then all of a sudden it was there

because wolverine is wolverine

bond is bond... whats you're point

bond isnt bond if you take away part of who he is

the lack of history was part of who wolverine was

if he's not a good looking suave ass kicker then its not bond

ok i'll put it this way

that was an explanation of who he was, but he still is who he is

this is like a restart

this new bond

(now colored by his past)

the goal, I am assuming is to start something new

if bond is restarted as something different and it continues as something different

then its not bond

bond is not only this one archetype

he changed from connery to whats his face

who was the second one

yea, but he has always been virtually the same

roger?

something

lazenby

no

then roger moore

yeah yeah

they were really different

it went connery lazenby connery moore

but they still had the same attributes

they werent complete redesigns

sure they were different people so obviously something changed

but they still embodied everything that bond is

oh... well i meant then roger moore... but they were still different enough to where people watching these movies when they came out, disliked the change and say that connery was bond and so bond is connery

right

and that anyone else trying to play bond can't

but they didnt say that

because bond is connnery

they just thought connery was a better bond

sure they did

roger moore has his followers

just the same as pierce

i am sure he did but that doesn't get past the point that there are crowds of people who say bond is connery or people today might say bond is brosnan and can't see it as anything else

yea

whats the point

i think we got way past what we were originally talking about

so having this new start with less suave and more badassism is still bond

people might not accept it right now in the same way they didn't for moving past connery

but my point is to still have it, and to completely change it is no longer bond

its not completely changing it though

he is still 007

and he is still killing people in cool ways...

that to change it would be better?

i think it would be... like this next movie for example

i think i will like this next movie than the other bond movies

yea, but what i am saying is if they arent going to make an effort to still be bondian then just change his name and make an action movie

but aren't they still making an effort?

i hope so

007?

secret agent?

yea, thats not all though

you can slap that on anything

i'm not dissing this movie by any means

i am just saying i hope they do an awesome job

what i am saying is that the characteristics you ascribe to bond change with the actors playing it as much as it is changing here... here it is changing in that now he is pissed

i want all the characteristics to be there

i agree the traits change in the emphasis

connery badass womanizer

moore suave

dalton action hero

and i agree with you that if he was a bumbling idiot and didn't get any women i will be disappointed

brosnan pretty boy

i just want it all to be there

because if they arent then it wont be bond

all of it?

in some way

you carazay?

thats too much for one bond to handle

you can dress up in a white sheet and not be a ghost pat

pretty boy, womanizer, suave and action hero

well everyone of them possessed it

they just emphasized one trait

to an extent

right

right, agreed

all i am saying is

i want this guy to do the same

thats where the make or break comes into play

kinda like i can play sports but it is not a very good or well developed trait

yea

you still possess it

brosnan... he was too nice to be a complete womanizer like connery... but he still slept around

another "pat" would play down the homosexuality and play up the sports side

face

yea

you got it

just as another kyle might actually be considerate and not just an asshole... yeah you got it

right

just making points

right, exactly

so basically we want craig to be everything

you do

but its alright if he plays up the action hero

ok fine

oh right yeah

but if he doesnt possess it all, then he's not bond

emphasize the strengths

yes

ok

or we should post this convo on our blog

debates on bond

debates on debond

ok

debunking bond

yea there we go

he doesn't exist!

yeah he does

it really wouldn't be debunking at all

whatever

analysis of a secret agent

dissassembling bond

:

ah there we go

Analysis of a Secret Agent: Disassembling Bond

try the other way around

disassembling bond is a better title

Disassembling Bond: Analysis of a Secret Agent

analysis is more of a description

yeah good point

mine is the better title

face

but mine lets you know its serious

yeah yeah

not some fluesy writing to her mother

i wish i knew how to spell fluesey

just jealous talk i hear there

but i hear yours a compensating

as compensatin

as compensating

ggggggggggggggggg

there ya happy

i don't know why but this made me just think of these dream i had where i broke into this underground club after shattering all these windows by jumping through them and i slept with 4 prostitutes

it was weird

hmm

then i didn't pay and i ran out

on that note i am going to get out of here and take a shower

alright i'll post this

So, decide for yourself. Which side do you choose?